“If the horse has a tear in the DDFT and you inject the joint or the bursa, he may feel better, but using the limb will make the tendon injury worse. Soles can become too thin from an improper trim as too much of a horse’s foot is removed and the inside sole is too high, causing the horse to place its weight on the sole instead of the outside wall. If possible, remove the horse’s shoes, leaving them off for four to eight weeks, trim the heel back until you reach solid hoof wall, round the toe, and allow the horse to self-correct. Consider whether he was over-trimmed. Faracat said: LGL, dietary issue, metabolic issue, nail issues or just taking too … That's how rehabilitation works, sometimes you have to take a step back to make a leap forward. The last two laminitic horses I have seen trimmed have both had a farrier refuse to let them put their foot down, despite both being in obvious pain from active laminitis. The longer the appointment takes, the more sore he is. At the most extreme, the horse will have a ”walking on egg shells” look. The horse's shoes are first removed and then the sole is pared over the bruise to relieve weight-bearing pressure, although excessive paring should be avoided in thin soled horses or the pain may be worsened. A competent farrier is … •Stumbling or Tripping. If you make the back of the foot sore, the horse will land on its toes and the hoof will never uncontract. Yeah right. Ramey says he follows one big rule on how much to trim the hoof in the laminitic horse: He trims the walls and bars to 1/16th inch above healthy sole (assuming there’s healthy wall to trim), and lets the sole grow out. “You have to rule out acute soft-tissue problems before you inject,” Dr. Dabareiner cautions. Another tool is your decision to be patient and trust the horse to heal. A: Great question Belinda. Oh I missed Faracat has already pointed that out. The only trimming you will do at the first trim is to back up a forward-flared toe and wall flares, and level and perhaps shorten the heels. This is the point where the insensitive part of the horse’s hoof (hoof wall) and the sensitive structures meet. It usually takes about four months for the newly attached laminae to grow from the hairline to the ground surface at the heels. Short hoof walls should not cause tenderness. A horse that needs a trim from a farrier may be referred to as “long in the toe.” When you view the underside of the horse’s hoof and it’s free of dirt and stones, you should be able to see the white line. Anyway, now my horse is so sore, she can hardly walk, four days later. Horses with a variety of other underlying conditions can be sore after trimming or shoe removal. If a trimmer is repeatedly over-trimming, fire him. If the trim is good but the horse is sore it means that healing is happening, if you wait a few days for the pain to go away you'll probably find that the horse is moving much better than they were before the trim. P3 is at ground level at start. When shoes are removed, the re-awakening of sensory nerve receptors in the hooves can make the horse appear ouchy, or reveal lameness that has been being masked since rigid shoes block sensory nerve receptors from functioning to signal pain in the … It's got a bit confusing, op's horse was sore after a bf trim ad another poster's horse has always been sore after shoeing. We trim and/or shoe horses primarily in order to make them more comfortable. IF horse had greatly higher heels than that, or toe walls were long & upright, so that the trim changed angles drastically, this could be now straining ligs, tendons, etc & causing the pain, as Walkin described. Excess paring of the sole beyond removing flaky dead sole can increase sole sensitivity. Horses exposed to too many rocks without proper toughening of the soles. When trimming your barefoot horse, your farrier will keep in mind several factors, including breakover, flare and hoof shape. Horses should not be foot sore after a routine trim. Joined 20 August 2007 Messages 11,935 Location Cumbria . Discussion on VERY sore feet after trim - need advice please Author: Message: Member: Tuckern: Posted on Wednesday, Apr 5, 2006 - 2:39 pm: Hi All, I had my mare's feet trimmed on Saturday (04.01.06), by a new farrier whom I had been told was very good, and could do a natural/4-point trim. Horses that may have even been sore for many months, may occasionally begin walking soundly after just one trim! 25 September 2013 #21. If the horse was wearing shoes, then that would be different. You can not. – Dropped soles and flat soles. This horse also has shoes, but it is still clear to see that its toe is long and in need of trimming. Trimming the frogs can relieve this pressure and increase comfort while the corium migrates back up into its natural position. Moving on to another horse, Photo 3, we see a horse that is overdue for its trim. In my experience, a horse should only be sore after a trim if there is a major underlying problem with the feet prior to the trim e.g. laminitis, neglect. Most barefoot horses are trimmed with a bevelled edge along their toe, encouraging the hoof to land heel first and making the rear two-thirds of the foot the primary weight-bearing area. It worries me that there are horses out there that are suffering, even if only for a couple of days, due to the type of trim applied by the farrier / trimmer. While my horse is a sassy lassy, it's clear to me he hurts. Farriers and trimmers must recognise the difference between a horse that is in pain and a horse that is being difficult (although they should ask why that horse is being difficult). grow a good foot on a horse who is too sore to walk correctly. I finally got my farrier to trim my horses feet after litterally saying trim them or your fired. Many horses with hoof pain also move low to the ground, in a shuffling-like gait. In cases of simple soft, tender soles, horses feet toughen in a variable period of time. It worries me that there are horses out there that are suffering, even if only for a couple of days, due to the type of trim applied by the farrier / trimmer. Suddenly trimming heels to a more natural height or pulling the shoes can cause soreness because a tremendous new excessive pressure is being applied to the weak internal structures. 4 Check the neck and back for symmetry, posture, and contour. – Knife-happy trimming. Well I know if hooves are left too long untrimmed their feet can become sore once they are trimmed. However, if horses are very sore, other conditions should be ruled out with a veterinary lameness exam. Soles with little concavity will be more sensitive to rocks. I've never seen a horse react like this. •Preference for Soft Ground. The horse has a few days to a week off after the injection and then returns to work. 2) (The "less-obvious" but probably better method) Leave the overgrown bars as they are. Forget the toes, imagine what it feels like to have your heels in the center of your foot. Try, to the best of your ability, to keep the horse out of pain. Your horse should not be lame after a trim on an already barefoot hoof. If your horse is 'always' sore after a trim, your farrier is doing something wrong *for that horse*. Maybe the others can tolerate his excessive sole paring, or whatever he's doing wrong, but this one can't take it. ”Choppy” and ”wooden” are terms that usually describe how a foot-sore horse moves. My horse consistently is sore after farrier trims and uncomfortable during. In my experience, a horse should only be sore after a trim if there is a major underlying problem with the feet prior to the trim e.g. Regardless, horses that are sole sore after trimming or having shoes pulled need a period of rest. I have had several different farriers over the years all with different trimming styles, and it wasn't until my current trimmer came along that my horses weren't lame after being trimmed. With systemic laminitis, recovery begins immediately following the removal of the causative agent, but soundness does not return immediately. They get better than you can imagine. They do heal. – Bruised soles are sensitive. The poultice is removed after 24 hours and the protective bandage is replaced for a further 48 hours. In this video clip, I discuss trimming methods and how to avoid sore feet. Trimming a foot should not make a horse sore. What if your horse walks off lame after a routine trim? Flex and extend the joint to observe range of motion and to check for pain. Generally it will not mean the week after the "first trim" will be totally pain-free. Many horses handle a typical five- to six-week shoeing or trimming interval well, but others might need fewer weeks between appointments. Her front feet … Member: rtrotter: Posted on Friday, Oct 2, 2009 - 6:55 am: Shannon, I am not sure where you got the idea that the'natural hoof trimming movement' thinks its ok to lame or sore up a horse. Check the neck and back for symmetry, posture, and contour. Many factors can contribute to the soreness of a barefoot horse’s hooves after a visit with their farrier, the most common one being over-trimming. A poultice and protective bandage is applied to the foot. The horse may be quite sore after the trim and need temporary pads for a few days, and should wear hoof boots for trail riding. I think farriers like to try and blame horse being sore on other things instead of looking at their trimming method. 25 September 2013 #21. Because they move low to the ground, stumbling or tripping may occur. Episode 1, V7 - Two Minutes With Tab - Sore After Trim | Vettec Flex and extend the joint to observe range of motion and to check for pain. Anyone can make a mistake but there are aggressive trimming styles that I don’t recommend. Well they were way too long and I noticed today he came and trimmed them when I took him out I saw they had been trimmed. Where I run into challenges is finding an appropriate heel height in Ramey’s principles. It may not be possible to keep a horse that is recovering from laminitis pain free, but it is certainly something you can try to do. Q: If my horse goes lame immediately after being shod, should I call the farrier back, or get the vet? Management of the pain of laminitis is important from many standpoints, not the least of which is a humane one. I do bute/prevacoix before the trim. As you move your hands over the horse's neck and back, notice any indications of swelling, pain, heat, inflammation, or loss of muscle tone. He has radiographed the feet before and after a trim and found that even an ultracareful farrier might remove 6 mm of sole in a single trim. 4. Unfortunately, the inevitable does happen occasionally when a horse is sore after a hoof-care appointment. Horse may also be sore due to excess heel material bruising internal structure, or due to the bad angles causing joint pain. Queenbee Well-Known Member. I've participated in his appointments the last few months and found that he will sometimes hop when his RH is being worked on. Often flat soles and thin soles are inherited. It's another thing for a horse to be painfully sore all the way around. To imply that it is in any way normal for a horse to be sore after a regular trim is way off base in my opinion. I also cold hose/ice after. In this video clip, I discuss trimming methods and how to avoid sore feet. I've seen other folks' horses get a bit hot and ouchy after trims, which for me would be a huge red flag (one of these horses later went on to develop full blown laminitis, not from a trim), and I've seen my horse lose her resilience to gravel for a week or two. – Genetic. Note any areas that are inflamed, as evidenced by heat and swelling. Again, this horse has been free of pain throughout this transition, and that's the key. Belinda, Auckland. laminitis, neglect. If your farrier won't try to figure out what he's doing wrong, switch farriers! Continuing to grow this foot out can result in a horse that drags its toes and may result in tripping or stumbling. 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